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- 02 Jul 91 11:37:00
- By: Bryce Eckstein, LATTICE~ (147/66)
- Re: Re: CBC Documentary
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- I had not heard of David Jacobs prior to listening to the broadcast, so I can't
- really comment on the apparent dichotomy in his position on the abduction
- issue.
- However, here are all the literal transcriptions of the Jacobs clips from the
- program:
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- Jacobs:
- "Basically what people say is, that they are abducted out of their normal
- environment and are taken into this object, their clothes are taken off,
- they are given a physical examination of an unusual variety, -- and here we
- go plunging into the bizarre, but this is what is reported by virtually
- everyone -- they have a sperm and/or an egg sample taken from them and they
- are then subjected to a variety of other procedures -- sometimes they are
- presented with extraordinary-looking, little babies, uhh, strange looking
- beings that they are required to hold and then they are sometimes given
- machine examinations - placed inside machines and so forth, and then they
- are released. Now, a lot of other things happen, but they do not always
- happen at every occasion".
-
- Host:
- "Do they describe how the sperm and egg samples are taken?"
-
- Jacobs:
- well, eggs are taken internally, with certain very carefully described
- instruments. Sperm is collected strictly mechanically. There are are
- actually three or four different kinds of devices, basically they are all
- the same though, and oftentimes the man doesn't even know what is
- happening, it's a very quick procedure.
- What you are looking at primarily here is an extraordinary convergence of
- story and detail, a richness of detail that is impossible to understand
- other than through objective reality. People begin to describe certain
- things within the abduction - phenomenon that have never, ever been
- publicized and that they would simply not know to invent. They all
- essentially say the same thing, over and over again... and they'll say
- things and look at me inquiringly and say, "has anybody else ever reported
- anything like this?" .. and of course I've already heard it 200 times..
- and it's just an extraordinary situation. Now physically, when people think
- they have had an abduction experience, they might first of all say that
- there was a missing time experience, they cannot account for two hours
- of their life. For instance they'll travel from work to home and they know
- it takes 12 minutes each way and they've been doing it for years and then
- one day it takes two ~hours~ and 12 minutes and they are at a loss to explain
- this, it seemed perfectly seemless to them. Well, in every one of these
- situations of missing time, the people have actually ~been~ missing. It's
- not a situation where they claim it, and then independent investigation has
- revealed that they were down at the corner bar bending the old elbow. In
- fact, people have called the police, because of missing children, search
- parties have been organized looking for people, there has been every
- evidence to suggest that people are not in place. The problem here is that
- if it is not an objective event, then it is automatically internally
- generated - people are just dreaming it up for whatever reason. But the
- psychological and the psychiatric community have been unable to account for
- how this could possibly be, and there is no precedent for it in
- psychological or psychiatric literature - and most psychologists and
- psychiatrists and therapists of all types who have confronted this, have
- simply drawn a blank. It does not ~seem~ to be imaginary, it does not
- ~seem~ to be internally generated".
-
- (Lengthy Betty Hill clip, continuing the abduction experience)
-
- Host:
- Betty and Barney Hill's abduction was the first ever reported. That was 29
- years ago. There have been so many reported abductions since, that
- investigators are able to point to what ~they~ see as an amazing similarity
- among these stories. All have the same sorts of events. Aliens that look
- the same, the same physical examinations and so on. A key element here is
- that certain features of these stories are withheld from the public. That
- makes it much more difficult for anyone to fake an abduction story. But
- it's frustrating. We'd all like to know what some of these ~secret~
- features are. But you can't ask the researchers to reveal them... can you?
- Dr. David Jacobs."
-
- Jacobs:
- Sure you can. There's so many of them, there's so little that is known
- about this subject in the public that it's just an extraordinary situation.
- For instance, one of the things that people describe that can now be
- revealed... as they say .. is the fact that when they leave their car or
- their house or their bedroom or wherever they are during an abduction
- event, they say something extraordinary, sort of amazing that makes no sense
- whatsoever and they all seem to say this. They say that they float up into
- the air and they appear to be floating directly through a closed window.
- Now, this is an extraordinary thing or course, and it's outrageous and
- unbelievable on the face of it. yet they ~all~ say it, and they ~all~
- realize when they are saying it that it sounds crazy, and we have
- carefully, carefully questioned them about whether they stopped first and
- opened the window and the screen and the whole business... we don't have
- any cases of them opening the window, they ~all~ say that they do this..
- every one of them... and the question is, why would they say this, this is
- a dumb thing to say... this is a thing to say that will obviously point to
- some sort of imagination or a hoax. But they're all fairly adamant that
- that's what happens. We don't of course, understand what is happening here
- completely, this is a little detail that just has not been published
- before.
-
- Host:
- Don't you think I could come to you Dr. Jacobs knowing the little I know
- about abduction stories. read a few more, then come to you and say .. look.
- I had this strange experience, make up a bunch of details and make a
- convincing story?"
-
- Jacobs:
- Well, there are two ways to deal with that. Number one, 90 percent of the
- abduction phenomenon has not been publicized, so you'd have to bee on
- target pretty good {chuckling} it's very tough to do. You'd be amazed how
- difficult it is. In fact, I teach one of the few ... the only course
- actually on UFO's in the United States at a major university. I will tell
- students... give them an assignment if they wish, to make up an abduction
- event and I will tell them they can read anything that they want.. it
- doesn't matter, and I want them to tell me several facts that ~all~
- abductees say ~all~ the time, without exception.. just to see it they can
- hit it. In the four years I've been doing this, no one has hit it yet. What
- we are finding with the abduction phenomenon is that is an extremely
- routinized, highly structured event. Certain things happen to people and
- that's all .. in other words, people don't describe going up .. and then
- your sort of all over the place... y'know they don't describe getting out
- the scrabble set and playing alien scrabble and that sort of stuff.. they
- don't describe sitting down for a royal meal .. and they don't describe
- watching tv with the boys. There is a whole range of things that are never,
- ever described. What ~is~ described is very, ~very~ narrow, and very, very
- structured. You have to go where the evidence leads you. I think that
- people are actually describing experiences that have befallen them. I think
- that aliens are in fact taking human beings..... I must say Jay, (Jay
- Ingram - program host) that I don't like this business. I find it extremely
- disturbing, very depressing. I wish that I had not found this and I wish
- that ~all~ researchers had not found this. But we have found it. I think we
- have to start coming to terms with this on a fairly serious basis, even
- though this is about as way out as one can get in this society these days.
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- I don't know if what David Jacobs says in the documentary squares with what
- you've heard of him in the past, but this is his position at this moment.
- I hope the information has proven useful to you and others reading.
-
- Cheers
-
- Bryce